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coyotesuspect ([personal profile] coyotesuspect) wrote2009-11-19 09:35 pm
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5.10 Rant Rant Ranty McRantpants

Okay, I'm probably going to delete this later and offer up a better reaction, because I really enjoyed the episode as a whole. Rant's staying up. My reaction is my reaction. (And, I'd like to reiterate, I thought this was a great episode. I still have issues.)

However.

Can we talk about how much Supernatural sucks with women?

Because. Ugh. I knew there were going to be two deaths. And I was pretty sure one of them was going to be Ellen. And fine, all right. Whatever.

But then, we kill off Ellen and Jo. Because, really, women are only good for sacrifice! And unless they're sacrificing themselves for men, they're evil temptresses who are leading you into sin and darkness!

Yes. It was a great scene. It was heart-wrenching and beautiful and I bawled.

But. Then we get that scene in the cemetery, where Lucifer's all, "Oh, I was very merciful. One demon for every able-bodied man."

SHOW. SHOW. DO YOU EVEN REALIZE WHAT YOU JUST SAID? DO YOU REALLY LACK THAT MUCH SELF AWARENESS?

I am just so fucking mad right now, and what makes it even worse is that this was such a great episode. BUT SHOW'S SKEEVY FUCKING GENDER ISSUES ARE GETTING IN THE FUCKING WAY.

I mean, Supernatural has some wonderful female characters. They're compelling. They're beautiful. They're strong. They're intelligent. AND THEN THEY'RE ALL EVIL OR DEAD OR BOTH.

Ugh. On the other hand, Castiel grew on me a lot. And can I just say, Castiel/Meg? UNF. I SHIP IT. I SHIP IT.

Right. It's done. It's out of my system. Though, I think I'm gonna have to sign up for [livejournal.com profile] spn_women out of spite now.

Oh, also. Does anyone have a clue what happened in the end? One moment, Sam and Dean are in the cemetery, and Castiel's creeping around (such a creeper this ep, omg Cas), and Lucifer's summoning Death (also, SHOW. Dozens of Reapers and no Tessa? I'd be mad, except YOU PROBABLY WOULD HAVE KILLED HER OFF IF SHE HAD SHOWN UP), and then commercial break, and BAM! We're at Bobby's.

Did Castiel beam them out? If so, where the hell is he? WHAT IS GOING ON?

Previews for after the hiatus look super-interesting. I can't believe we have to wait that long though. : /

tl;dr: Ellen and Jo were both amazing this episode. They were great characters, and I adored them both, and I'll miss them greatly. *curls up with No Exit. * That's right, No Exit.

I'm out.

[identity profile] emeraldsedai.livejournal.com 2009-11-20 07:40 am (UTC)(link)
I'm right with you. Don't delete this post (please?). I am in such cognitive dissonance with Show that I can unironically term this episode one of the ten best in terms of writing, pacing, direction, acting--and at the same time want to eat my fucking EYEBALLS over the damn misogyny!

Dead women. Evil girls. "Women and children first" into Lucifer's mass grave. WTFF, Show? WTFF?

Last week fandom became male. This week two of the best female characters (well hell, two of the ONLY female characters) bit the dust. Okay, heroically, but dead heroines are still dead, sacrificing themselves on the Altar of Winchester.

I'm just so glad I'm not the only one. The fans I share the show with don't see it or don't want to and get all testy when I point it out, and I really don't want to ruin SPN for them. But I can't go another season like this. The cognitive dissonance is getting to me.

So here's an icon of a real female hero character.

[identity profile] coyotesuspect.livejournal.com 2009-11-20 08:23 pm (UTC)(link)
I've decided to keep it, actually. *g* I'm just always leery about posting rants, because I don't want to harsh everyone else's squee.

Ugh, I love this Show, and I love this episode (because it was pretty, omg!awesome), but the repeated gender!fail just makes me want to scream.

I'm just so glad I'm not the only one.
Definitely not. *g*

And, fuck yeah! Zoe Washburne! God, I love her so much. (I actually named my old iPod after her. >>)

*uses her Martha Jones icon*

Edited 2009-11-20 20:24 (UTC)

[identity profile] emeraldsedai.livejournal.com 2009-11-20 08:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Martha! Another great example of genderwin on television, proving that it's possible--at least with Joss and/or the BBC. I'll see your Martha and raise you a Rose.

[identity profile] meiou-set.livejournal.com 2009-11-20 10:27 pm (UTC)(link)
I know how you feel like 90% of my f'list was all squee about this ep and blah blah about how heroic and awesome the deaths were.

I'm just not seeing that. Not in the larger scope of things. Not with Show's horrid track record.

[identity profile] emeraldsedai.livejournal.com 2009-11-20 10:30 pm (UTC)(link)
"Show's horrid track record" is the key. No one instance of female sacrifice (self- or other) makes genderfail. It's the long arc. And Show is among the worst I've seen in the long arc.

I sort of hate myself for loving it so.